"Not Elsa?" Kathy asked in surprise. "I figured she'd be the first person you'd ask."

But maybe he didn't want to mix business and relationships?

"Two more questions and then I'll give you an answer," Kathy said. "First of all, what happens if we say no and you do something anyway?"

It was all well and good for Barry to say he'd immediately drop it, but Kathy wanted assurance that there would be actual consequences involved. Otherwise, what was the point?